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ancientsoxfogey |
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Let me just reiterate what has been said before about what a fabulous addition to the site this preview has been.
It will be interesting to see how the Sox's actual picks compare to the possibilities suggested here. I would be astounded if the first 3 picks all come from the 3 groups you have identified. That would be an amazing combination of understanding of people's capabilities and the organization's intentions. Equally amazing is how this community can get so excited over a draft where the Sox have only 2 of the top 100 picks! Probably my biggest hope of your being right in these first 3 picks is for the Sox to get Marks in round 3. My biggest hope of your being wrong is that Strasburg drops to #28 due to signability (hahahahahahahahahahahaha)!! Just out of curiosity, where does Fuentes come from? The list identifies that for all possibilities except him.
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soxprospects |
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Thanks ASF - Fuentes comes from Fernando Callejo High School in Puerto Rico. I updated the post.
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irishguy18 |
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Odds that we draft players we didnt expect?
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LongGone24 |
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irishguy18 wrote: 100% |
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irishguy18 |
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I'm not really excited by Stassi.. if we get him cool.. but a pitcher or athlete would be more interesting. We have a lot of catchers, a logjam really.
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DCRi |
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I just want to add how appreciative I am for the great job you guys did on draft background. I know more about the draft this year than any I ever have
followed, mostly due to what I have read here. Just terrific work, as with everything on this site, the best baseball site there is.
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jsinger121 |
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irishguy18 wrote: Really. There is never a logjam at any position. You can never have too much talent at one position and these things usually work things out. If Max Stassi is the best available player on the board at #28 in the Red Sox mind they will take him. |
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johnsilver62 |
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jsinger121 wrote: Not trying to start some kind of anti draft any catcher message with the last posts have been making or anything, but you look at the Rangers trying to get Teagarden, Ramirez and Salty into games and it is not working out real well with Ramirez sent back to AAA when he is probably a MLB catcher and Pina waiting at AA. I see Fed-X and Wagner maybe on a path to collide shortly and possibly even Exposito also in a absolute best case scenario. On the other hand, If Stassi has the possibility of being used as a 2 position player (other than DH) and is indeed all that is billed, with the Sox showing as much interest as is rumored.. |
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irishguy18 |
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If they take him, cool.. but id be a lot more interested in a pitcher
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amfox1 |
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johnsilver62 wrote:johnsilver62 - Do not think about the draft in terms of the position players we have. Think about the draft in terms of acquiring talent - that's how the Red Sox approach the draft. Players can generally be moved around the field (which is one reason the Red Sox tend to draft middle of the diamond players (SS, C, CF) - it is easier to move a position player towards the outside). Catchers become 1B, 3B, LF and DH. Shortstops become 2B and 3B. Center fielders become corner outfielders. I have my own views on Stassi, but the absolute wrong approach is to say that x and y are in the system and therefore we should draft a lower-rated player to fill a need. The Red Sox will not make that mistake and neither should you. |
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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johnsilver62 wrote:A) the chances are very slim to have that much success at one position. B) I fail to see how Texas' situation is a "problem". They can now deal from strength at the deadline for a piece they need. You don't necessarily develop players just to help your club - you also develop players to help you get what you need down the line. Eventually some team is going to break down and need a catcher.
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raftsox |
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Not that I would complain about drafting Stassi, but would someone more knowledgeable than I please tell me why we'd take Stassi over Renfroe? Talent wise
Renfroe seems to be the better bet, but he is rumored to want more money. Would that be the reason to draft Stassi instead?
Bush also yelled "I'm Matt (expletive) Bush," and "(expletive) East County," before driving over a curb in his Mercedes when leaving the campus, according to the witness. |
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amfox1 |
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I do not believe money is the issue. Stassi grades out better than Renfroe, who based on the rankings would be a first round reach but likely will not be there
in the second round.
It is unclear whether Renfroe projects as a P or a SS/3B long-term. Like Casey Kelly, teams are mixed. Renfroe prefers to be an everyday player and seems to play better as a SS. He has average range but a strong arm and soft, sure hands. As a hitter, his swing needs refinement but shows balance, good swing mechanics and extension, quick hands and an ability to use the whole field. His power grades out as average with a chance to be better because of his ability. He reminds some people of David Wright and may outgrow SS. Good bloodlines. Stassi is a gamer with great baseball instincts, who can stay behind the plate - good receiver but average arm. Good hitting ability with solid-average power. Scouts like his overall package of hitting ability, defensive ability, makeup and baseball instincts. He reminds some people of a smaller Joe Mauer. Good bloodlines. |
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raftsox |
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Interesting Amfox. Thanks.
Bush also yelled "I'm Matt (expletive) Bush," and "(expletive) East County," before driving over a curb in his Mercedes when leaving the campus, according to the witness. |
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tdrowe |
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jsinger121 wrote: You're absolutely right on the philosophy, but I honestly cannot see him being the BPA at 28. |
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brox13 |
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There is only a logjam at a position if the players are all around the same ability level. If Stassi comes in and performs as his tools and makeup would
indicate, no one would block him. His best case scenario is better than Wagner, Exposito, or Fed-X. The odds of those three all being starting caliber catchers
isn't good. If hell freezes over and it does happen, you trade them for other positions of need. I'd love to see the Sox take Stassi and Luke Bailey,
with Bailey missing the rest of this season and starting fresh next season at a level below Stassi.
I'm hearing
Hudson wants to become a hitter - his exact quote:
"Baby-Hühner graben die lange
Kugel"
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amfox1 |
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tdrowe wrote:If I were setting my board based on people who possibly could drop to 28, I would set it as follows: Bobby Borchering, 3B, Bishop Verot HS (FL) - my favorite bat in the draft, bar none - seeking $2mm Aaron Crow, RHP, Ft. Worth Cats - seeking $4mm Tanner Scheppers, RHP, St. Paul Saints Kyle Gibson, RHP, Missouri Wil Myers, C, Wesleyan Christian Academy (NC) - seeking $2mm Max Stassi, C, Yuba City HS (CA) AJ Pollock, OF, Notre Dame Tim Wheeler, OF, Sacramento State Jiovanni Mier, SS, Bonita HS (CA) Garrett Gould, RHP, Maize HS (KS) Jacob Turner, RHP, Westminster Christian Academy (MO) - seeking $7mm Matt Purke, LHP, Klein HS (TX) - seeking $7mm David Renfroe, SS/P, South Panola HS (MS) - seeking $2-3mm Everett Williams, OF, McCallum HS (TX) Reymond Fuentes, OF, Callego HS (PR) Grant Green, SS, USC Tony Sanchez, C, Boston College |
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WaterView |
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brox13 wrote: Agree we needn't worry about a logjam (and as others have pointed out, this would be a great problem to have if we did), and I'd be fine with them taking Stassi and Bailey if those options were there at value-for picks. Also agree the notion that Wagner, Exposito and Fedex all becoming major-league starters is unlikely, but I think there's a decent chance one out of the three -- if we're hugely lucky maybe even two -- could eventually start at the MLB level. Fedex and Exposito are still too far away from that to make any kind of realistic prediction, as you are obviously taking into account. That said, a guy yet-to-be drafted like Stassi who's reputed to have many, many positives, but not a strong arm is clearly even more of a longshot at
this stage. The arm issue bothers me because it's just SO bad at the MLB level right now for the RS. Because of RS pitching philosophy, the ML team will
never be high on the charts for CS; that's just a fact and a tradeoff they're willing to make (and I don't disagree). But to me, that's even
MORE of a reason to put catchers into your system with plus arm potential. They'll need better than average arms to help mitigate the fact they'll
always be at something of a disadvantage in throwing out runners. It's one thing to have a major league team that will always be on the below-average end
of CS, it's another to advertise to the universe that the opposing team can run at will. We've had games this year where that's clearly how the
oppostion sees us and it will remain a danger for years to come (since it's based on giving priority to pitching, which isn't going to change, nor
should it). So to me, a plus arm for a catcher is especially important for the RS.
Of course I freely acknowledge that a draft pick is simply a draft pick. If Stassi has terrific tools otherwise and hits well and progresses through the system, we'd all be delighted to have him. If someone in the system turns out to have a better arm and other skills equivalent, that would be both astonishing and delightful (and we can trade Stassi). All I'm saying is, for the catcher-of-the-future in Boston, I'd value a plus arm more than some other attributes. The three guys we see with real potential already in the system, all have plus arms (though Exposito needs to work on his accuracy). BTW, what I'd REALLY like to see at the major league level is a catching tandem (I know, we're hurting to have even one ML-caliber guy and now I want two). But I remember when Varitek and Scott Hatteberg were a tandem (before Hatteberg got hurt, then lost out to Varitek). With a position that demanding, sharing it with two almost-equals has a huge upside. WaterView |
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johnsilver62 |
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Maybe not exactly a starting catcher duo, but the perfect backup catcher like Mirabelli, or Bob Montgomery that seems so hard to find.
Boston turned out many catchers from it's system during the 70's, Monty, Bo Diaz, Tim Blackwell and of course Fisk and then seemed to get away from it. Most were good, solid and capable. If Luke Bailey does fall, that would be an excellent example of a guy who is worth a shot down in the middle rounds. Any chance he slips to rounds 4-5? |
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