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Cem21	Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread		Lead	[-]
Posts: 3448 08/22/07 8:41 AM Chris Mellen Director of Scouting SoxProspects.com	Tags : None Nick Hagadone is a prospect who I have a lot of interest in. I've read through his scouting reports/bios from College until now, but haven't had the chance to check him out in person/on TV. There was some good discussion in yesterday's game thread and I thought I would keep it going in his own thread. Putting aside his comparison, ranking, and 2008 Roster spot as those are already on the Site, questions have come to my mind since he's joined the System. Discussion does not need to be limited to them as I'm looking for all thoughts and analysis regarding Hagadone from everyone. What long range projection is seen? Middle to Frontline Starter? Reliever? What are some key strengths in his repertoire? Weaknesses where improvement is needed? What will the Organization be looking for over the offseason/beginning of next Season in terms of development and improvement?
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soxaholic58	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#1	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 349 08/22/07 8:54 AM	I've read he has two-plus pitches, his fastball and his slider. He consistantly sits 92-93 but can dial it up to 95-96. Does that not have reliever written all over him? Especially after watching video of his delivery, looks kinda funky to me.
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JAlli41	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 179 08/22/07 10:40 AM Veteran Member	I personally cant get super excited about a guy in his first season. That said it sounds like his stuff is very projectable, however he sounds like he might be a Papelbon type whose stuff will play very well in the back of the bullpen but might get a little more average as a starter. Next year will be interesting as we will see if he can hold his velocity for 5-7 inning stints.
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Steve of Charlotte	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#3	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 809 08/22/07 1:12 PM	I excited about his performance so far. I really like that we draft power arms like Hagadone's. I would love to see him kept in a starter role. But for him to stay there, as with a Masterson, he needs to develop his change. He could come fast, just like Masterson has. His experience and age will defintely push him some. The least, I expect, is him to be an descent set-up guy. I would love to see him develop one more pitch and stay in rotation. I guess I understand why he is being kept on a strict pitch count, but he really did not throw a lot this year...just being careful. Certainly what he does next year is big, and I will be watching him like everyone.
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jsinger121	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17865 10/18/07 2:20 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	*Quote:* Nelson (Boston): Personally, I like Nick Hagadone better than Daniel Bard. Your thoughts on Hagadone? Keith Law: (2:10 PM ET ) 7th or 8th inning reliever. I talked to two area scouts - both guys whose evaluation skills I respect enough to use their reports like this - after the draft who had him as a 6th-8th round talent. Insider Chat Maybe Keith should go see him in person himself before making crappy assumptions.
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templeUsox	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17240 10/18/07 2:26 PM Veteran Member Podcast Panelist	Awesome. More ammo.
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jsinger121	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17865 10/18/07 2:35 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	Yours truly fires back at Keith Law (who is apparently a soxprospects.com fan by the way) *Quote:* jonathan (soxprospects.com): Keith, Maybe you should go see Hagadone yourself before making garbage assumptions about his talent. From the reports I have he was throwing in the mid to high 90's. Keith Law: (2:34 PM ET ) Oh, wait - you have reports? Wow, that settles it. I'm so sorry. One of the area scouts I talked to said he saw Hagadone top 92 once all year, and that happened to be the day that the Red Sox had three people there. (The sad thing about this is that I like soxprospects.com. It's one of the best single-team prospect sites on the Web.)
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templeUsox	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17240 10/18/07 2:39 PM Veteran Member Podcast Panelist	*Quote:* One of the area scouts I talked to said he saw Hagadone top 92 once all year, and that happened to be the day that the Red Sox had three people there. WTF is he talking about? He's lost.
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TNS	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#8	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3414 10/18/07 2:39 PM	While I disagree with the 6th-8th round talent-wise comment, I do think of him as a premium reliever at this point in time too. Could he start? We'll see. He was basically used as a reliever starting games this year and that may be why his velocity was still eye popping. We've got to see the results when he's going 7 innings to see if he's still the same type of pitcher. He does have 3 pitches at this point in time (fastball, slider, change) with him scrapping the splitter for now (much to my disappointment) to focus on developing the change. He still has plenty of time for his play to designate his future role but I wouldn't be disappointed at all if he ended up in the bullpen. He has overpowering stuff (and experience) in that role and could be a great late inning weapon. Again, time will tell if his stuff is still overpowering as a starter.
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AMarshal2	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9495 10/18/07 2:40 PM	So much humor here I don't know where to laugh first. "like leopard he stalks under-valued prospect makes Hazen horny" -Hairps
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CheapSeats61	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#10	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 569 10/18/07 2:48 PM Veteran Member	Could the guns at Lowell, etc., have been juiced a little to help Hagadone? That's an awfully big discrepancy though between what his area scout says and the other reports. What does BA say on the topic? I thought they had him more in the mid-90s... Also, as much as he dismissed you Jsinger, at least you don't owe him dinner...
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TEXS31	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#11	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1792 10/18/07 2:55 PM	With all due respect to JSinger (I greatly enjoy your posts) it might not be the best idea to make an attacking comment like that AND refer to yourself as a member of soxprospects. While the message was on-point, the delivery may be questionable. As a non-moderator (and non-Mike) member, maybe I should keep my trap shut but it seems like we could represent the site better if we keep the comments constructive when we are also mentioning our membership.
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jsinger121	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17865 10/18/07 3:02 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	I basically disagreed with his scouting report as his info was 2nd hand while what we have is multiple first hand accounts of Hagadone. Instead of him making assumptions on Hagadone he should go see him for himself before making comments on being a 6th-8th round talent. I'm not a Keith Law fan for his comments on Pedroia and his garbage scouting of Clay Buchholz earlier in the season.
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BigTrain34	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#13	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 422 10/18/07 3:16 PM	He said he talked to two scouts that had Hagadone as a 6th-8th round talent. I don't know why people get so worked up over what Keith Law says. It's not like his opinions are going to make a player better or worse, and I actually like that he doesn't rate every prospect in the minor leagues as a future #1 starter or 30-HR hitter. I wish some fans were the same way.
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TheGoldenGreek33	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#14	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 3359 10/18/07 3:16 PM Veteran Member	I disagree TEX, Keith Law has always been a hater of Sox prospects it seems. He dissed on Peddy, Buck, and now Hagadone. I saw Hagadone on spring break 2 years ago when I went to see WASH-UCLA because I wanted to see Lincecum. It was amazing to see Nick's mechanics because he didn't reach back hardly at all and was still hitting 92 consistantly. I haven't seen him in person since then but reports say he's up in the mid-high 90s and I don't doubt it. I bet they've really worked with him in reaching back and it's bullshit to listen to Keith Law make ridiculous comments with reports from a year ago. 6-8th round talent give me a break. Last Edited By: TheGoldenGreek33 03/30/08 2:05 PM. Edited 1 time.
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soxprospects	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10464 10/18/07 3:22 PM Mike Andrews Editor-in-Chief SoxProspects.com	I totally agree with Tex. I don't like the idea of anybody taking pot-shots at people purportedly on behalf of this site, even the mods. Especially when the message is (1) hypocrtical and (2) a bit unprofessional. Even though I don't disagree with what you're saying, its the way it was deleivered. You take a shot at him for not seeing him in person but for using somebody else's reports, by offering the fact that you have somebody else's reports? C'mon, that comment does not reflect well on the site. Even if Law is wrong, which in this case he is, lets keep it profesional. soxprospects.com \| boston100.net
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PatsfanKb	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#16	[url]	[-]
Rookie Posts: 98 10/18/07 3:23 PM	Keith Law :Soxprospects AS Ron Borges: New England Patriots Guys don't you get it...he is just trying to motivate the players.
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TEXS31	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#17	[url]	[-]
Veteran Member Posts: 1792 10/18/07 3:30 PM	Since, again, it probably wasn't my place to make mention I'll just say this. When I hear/read "garbage" and similar comments, all I picture is Andy Gresch and Pete Shepherd and their non-professional (albeit sometimes informed) way they discuss sports. The value of their points gets lost. I think we all agree on the fact that KLaw is wrong in this (and many other) cases. Just thinking that it could've been said differently. That being said, I have way too much respect for JSinger and his knowledge/conributions to make further issue on this. I just saw the comment and the association to the site and cringed a bit (based on my interpretation of the delivery). That's all.
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Cem21	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3448 10/18/07 3:39 PM Chris Mellen Director of Scouting SoxProspects.com	I can offer that the Radar gun readings on the other guys throwing for Lowell were right on par with the Scouting Reports on this site when seeing Hagadone. Juiced or not, Hagadone's fastball looked and sounded hard, and got the results of a pretty good one.
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AMarshal2	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 9495 10/18/07 3:41 PM	Mike, if you got any extra money just lying around perhaps a soxprospects.com blogger radar gun would be a good investment! *Quote:* He said he talked to two scouts that had Hagadone as a 6th-8th round talent. I don't know why people get so worked up over what Keith Law says. It's not like his opinions are going to make a player better or worse, and I actually like that he doesn't rate every prospect in the minor leagues as a future #1 starter or 30-HR hitter. I wish some fans were the same way Agreed. That said, even if the stadium gun was an unreal 4-5 mph fast and all the other prospects were really topping out at 83 mph instead of 88....Hagadone still easily tops 92. Law is wrong. He's often wrong. He'll change his tune later. "like leopard he stalks under-valued prospect makes Hazen horny" -Hairps
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jsinger121	Re: Nick Hagadone Discussion Thread	#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17865 10/18/07 3:45 PM Jonathan Singer Digital Correspondent SoxProspects.com	www.radarguns.com/
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