I love that he's not remotely close to the strike zone in any of the three pitches in that video. Tall, lanky kid though.
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Posts: 7176 06/20/09 4:58 PM Chris Hatfield
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"they should go to soxprospect so that BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - A SoxProspects.com
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"Most people in my country say who the f*ck is dusty Brown and Who are the Pawsox you freak and what does hit 270 mean" - LondonSox |
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Posts: 158 06/20/09 6:14 PM |
Hey not my money, and you just can't tell much on these kids from one video of three wildish pitches! The mores the better with upside signs in the farm,
but I hope this doesn't impact draft spending, there is a lot of talent.
I personally believe the sox set a value for the players and if they sign for that or less they go, I'd be interested to see if they stopped due to budget or if they ahve a chance to sign 20 guys over slot and they'll all sign they would. |
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McDaniel at BP.com had a blurb on him in the previously cited (Vicino scouting report) Latin American rankings.....
15. Victor Payano, LHP, Dominican Republic |
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Posts: 1898 06/20/09 8:59 PM |
sounds like a good projectable arm. Lefty too. I'll take it! They must think alot of him to outbid the Rockies by 300K. I'd love a potential Big Bat
signing besides Vinicio (I don't know how he projects, but I want a big bat)
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Posts: 252 06/21/09 5:12 PM |
Per Rotoworld
According to the New York Post, the Yankees have come to terms with 16-year-old catcher Gaby Sanchez on a $2.5 million deal.
Maybe this is why the Yankees opted against signability players in the draft; they intend to spend big on Latin players this summer. Sanchez will be allowed
to sign on July 2. The Yankees are also believed to be in on Miguel Angel Sano, a shortstop viewed as the top 16-year-old available this summer.
Source: New York Post
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Posts: 319 06/22/09 8:39 AM |
I would love to grab a projectable OF or two with power potential... Someone like Angel Beltre (DOH!)
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Posts: 63 06/22/09 9:04 AM |
I am probably in the majority here, but would prefer to see the 2.5-3M being spent on signing Renfore, Younginer, Volz, Thompson, Hassan, Bard etc.. guys that
are more known commodities and some of which may get away.
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Posts: 7214 06/22/09 9:41 AM Chris Hatfield
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johnsilver62 wrote:johnsilver, don't think that spending on an international FA is going to take away from the draft budget. The Sox will sign players based on if they think they're getting good value for the player, not based on a certain hard budget for signing amateur players.
"they should go to soxprospect so that BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - A SoxProspects.com
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"Most people in my country say who the f*ck is dusty Brown and Who are the Pawsox you freak and what does hit 270 mean" - LondonSox |
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Posts: 125 06/22/09 11:59 AM |
Chris,
I see this kind of claim made all the time, but do you have any evidence to support it? I agree the budget is not hard, but do you really not believe they have one? |
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Posts: 4 06/22/09 12:13 PM |
Sneak,
I think AB is saying the 2 budgets are completely seperate. They probably alocate them pre-season seperately, and I'm sure they both have ceilings, but, I doubt they borrow from one to the other. Business' don't operate that way, I don't see why an MLB team would either. |
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Posts: 126 06/22/09 12:21 PM |
Why would you separate the budgets? You'd be basically guaranteeing that you'd get less talented guys.
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Posts: 121 06/22/09 12:24 PM |
You should be focusing on the second part of AB's statement. The idea is that there isn't a hard ceiling to either the draft of international budget.
As long as each player is signed to an amount that equals their perceived value, there will be no limit (within reason).
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Posts: 127 06/22/09 12:33 PM |
That's the part of the statement I was disagreeing with. If I had to guess, I would think they have an approx. budget that they can go over if they think
certain guys are really special, or maybe roll over to the next year if they don't think value is there. I've heard people posit that there is no
budget and they can just do whatever they want if they think a guy is worth it (no matter how many said guys there are), but I guess I just don't see the
evidence for it. If someone has a quote from the Sox that rebuts me, I'm willing to change my mind, but I haven't seen anything other than argument by
assertion.
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Posts: 5 06/22/09 12:49 PM |
ThSneak wrote: I guess I see it the opposite way, why would you limit yourself in either area by combining the budget? What if you use up money in the Internaional market, only to find that some guys from the draft will sign, but, you've spent the money that could be allocated there? Or vice versa? I'd like to think the Sox have a grasp on the players available internationaly, and what they are likely to sign for, well before the draft is over. Also, business' have to submit their budget/forecast prior to the fiscal year, wouldn't it make sense for a Baseball team to operate the same way? I doubt Theo submits a plan to ownership that says "we will allocate X-million dollars to the draft AND International free-agents", with no plan as to how it will be split up. I'm pretty sure this was brought up before and it was determined they are 2 seperate budgets. |
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Posts: 128 06/22/09 12:59 PM |
DeadRed wrote: As an example, you have $5M in each budget. You've spent $9M so far. $5M from one budget, $4M from the other. Do you want to sign the best player left on your list (either from the draft or an IFA) or do you just want to sign the best guy you drafted? If you combined the budgets you would be sure to get the best available guy. I'm not saying this is the way that it's done, but I think it's a good motivator for, if not having just one budget (I'm sure they don't), having flexibility for moving money between the two. |
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Posts: 7 06/22/09 1:18 PM |
The thing is, as far as the International market goes, they know before hand who is avaiable and what they will cost. Why do you think there is rumors of
pre-deadline deals?
So, they can set their International budget accordingly. It's not like on July 2nd, all of sudden there are all these bidding wars. Most of these guys have deals in place by then. But, the draft, you don't know who will be available when you pick, who slides, etc. I can see the wisdom, in not capping yourself in the draft, but I doubt the 2 are related, for the Red Sox anyway. Obviously, small market teams, have to make tougher decisions on where to put their money. |
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Posts: 65 06/22/09 1:50 PM |
ThSneak wrote: This is my feeling and hoping that the several million being spent on young teenagers that little is known about will not hurt as far as getting fairly known talents that were drafted this year. We don't want another LaPorta anytime soon because 900K went to a 16 year old. |
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Posts: 8 06/22/09 1:58 PM |
johnsilver62 wrote: I can all but guarantee you that the non-signing of LaPorta had absolutely nothing to do with what was spent on Internatinal Free Agents. This is a straw man arguement, and the next time it happens will be the first in Theo era. |
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Posts: 2630 06/22/09 4:39 PM Veteran Member |
I asked Jorge Arangure, who has been covering this year's period for ESPN, about Sano and how the investigation may affect his bonus and he says that Sano
still projects to get ~3 milll unless the investigation finds any irregularities. Here is what he said:
"Investigation still ongoing. His high profile plus the fact the new MLB investigative unit is in charge means higher scrutiny. Unless he flunks the investigation he should still get a bonus of around $3 million."
A-Rod you and Barry Bonds are the best
player in the history of the game, don't believe the Cra**** this STUPID FANS say.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Posts: 7222 06/22/09 5:33 PM Chris Hatfield
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I don't necessarily have "evidence", but I'm referring more to my understanding of the Red Sox' approach to acquiring amateur talent. As
we've seen with the draft, the Sox MO seems to be to acquire the best talent for the best value - they don't overspend, but they are willing to shell
out the money where appropriate. Just as, say, they're not saying "well, we paid Westmoreland $2 million, so we can't give Hissey $1
million", I can't see them saying "well, we're giving Saño $3 million, so we can't sign David Renfroe", or something like that. It
would just not seem to fit the way that I understand they do business.
Hopefully that makes my point a bit clearer? I think that Theo's recent comments when asked if they wouldn't spend as much because of the economy, that the amateur scouting and acquisition budget would be the last thing they'd cut from, lend some credence to that.
"they should go to soxprospect so that BOZO THE CLOWN and the rest of THE WANTS TO BE will give you some information" - A SoxProspects.com
Legend
"Most people in my country say who the f*ck is dusty Brown and Who are the Pawsox you freak and what does hit 270 mean" - LondonSox |
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