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Beany24 |
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Help me understand what the Sox are doing with Place. I may have missed a previous post that explained this. Why are they leading this kid off? He
hasn't hit at any level yet, but has managed to get promoted. How does leading off help him mentally or physically? He's a good athlete and has some
tools and I'd like to see him succeed, but where is the progress that warrants promotion?
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jacoby ellsbury will rok my sox |
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Im guessing he is just leading off to get as many at bats as possible.
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WillyCoPapi3 |
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There's a couple of reasons (at least that I can think of) as to why leading Place off may be beneficial toward his development:
1. The Red Sox as an organization stress that their leadoff hitters try to work counts against opposing pitchers. Batting Jason leadoff may force him to be more patient, build up opposing pitchers' pitch counts, and work to improve his pitch recognition skills. 2. Batting him leadoff will help him get more at bats...which is probably the best thing right now for his development as a hitter.
Mr. Pedroia says hello after punching you in the balls while jumping. -jspearl
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Beat UM and UF |
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I think jacoby and willy are correct, it is a move to get Place as many at bats, as well as a way to encourage more plate discipline. I think Jason may have
been trying to hit for too much power instead of just trying to get some good wood on the ball. The power will come.
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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templeUsox |
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He's done.
Dominican for the next month or so!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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tdrowe |
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templeUsox wrote: He's 20. (today in fact) |
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incarnarus |
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I think that he might turn the corner at some point in time this year hopefully. I mean he played well in Spring Training from all I've heard, and he's
got all the talents. I guess for him, its just a matter of finding some way to put it together.
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Beat UM and UF |
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Player A in high A at age 19: 422 AB, 116 H, 8 HR, 73 K, 32 BB
Player B in high A at age 19: 459 AB, 98 H, 12 HR, 160 K, 52 BB Player C in high A at age 22: 493 AB, 138 H, 19 HR, 145 K, 66 BB A - Hanley B - Place C - Ryan Howard
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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bjb406 |
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Beat UM and UF wrote: If anyone is confused like I was, those are all Low A SAL league numbers.
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Beat UM and UF |
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Sorry, I meant low A for all of them.
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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Quintanariffic |
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Beat UM and UF wrote: There are so many things wrong with this post, it has to be sarcasm, right? Surely you're not serious making this "comparison"?
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chavopepe2 |
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Beat UM and UF wrote: I'm not really even sure what comparison you are trying to make. Hanley had a better average, less Ks, better K/BB. Howard had less Ks in more ABs, a
better K/BB ratio, and a significantly higher average.
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Beat UM and UF |
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It helps to read the thread before making comments. I already stated I meant Low A for all of them. And I was not comparing Howard, Hanley and Place to suggest
place will turn into one of the top hitters in the minors, it was that another toolsy guy in Hanley struggled, and another guy with terrible K numbers who
turned into an MVP.
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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chavopepe2 |
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Beat UM and UF wrote: And my point is I don't see the relevence of the comparison seeing as neither of them struggled even close to the extent that Place did. Everyone knows Place has a lot of tools and COULD turn it around to be a very good player, but this comparison does nothing to further that point. |
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Quintanariffic |
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Beat UM and UF wrote: It also helps to look at the time stamp and deduce that the responses to your post were likely being written when you made your correction.
As chavopepe pointed out, your so-called analysis is so cherry-picked and flawed as to be useless.
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FenwayTheHardWay |
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Plus Howard is kind of a freak... he owns the record for Ks in a season after all... to sustain that you need to hit for ridiculous average on contact, which
very very few guys are able to do. It's kinda like comparing a soft tossing lefty to Jamie Moyer. For every Moyer/Howard player who's got the unique
talents to overcome their limitations, there's a hundred other guys with the same limitations who never do overcome them.
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Quintanariffic |
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FenwayTheHardWay wrote: Naturally. Ths "analysis" didn't include those sort of guys b/c no one's ever heard of them - they wash out long before they become notable enough to remember. And b/c it wouldn't have fit whatever point was trying to be made. Either way, I blame John Henry.
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chavopepe2 |
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Quintanariffic wrote: haha, that's really funny. |
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Beat UM and UF |
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chav, I wasn't referring to your post.
Yes, Hanley and Howard had better numbers than Place, but considering how far they have gone since then it is not unreasonable to keep the door open for Place. I'm not saying he turns into a 40/40 guy, I'm saying that giving up on him at this age is ridiculous. Hanley at age 19 in A ball certainly didn't put up eye-popping numbers, and neither did Howard in A ball.
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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Place is a classic example of a super-hyped prospect (rightly so, I might add) who had some unlikely expectations; we still won't see his real potential
for another few years. Those young guys who start off as top 20 prospects in the Red Sox farm system always seem like their around forever and get overly
scrutinized until they start to produce and progress as they mature physically. It's just the way the Sox general philosophy is: try not to rush guys and
put undone pressure on them. They can afford to wait until prospects are absolutely ready (with some noted exceptions) because of their ability to sign marquee
free agents. I trust we will be pleased with what Jason Place can give us someday even if it's not Hanley-like MLB numbers.
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Brownies28 |
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tdrowe wrote: I'm giong to disagree with this entire post (great way to introduce myself, right?). First, this thread began with a question: why, with Jason Place
struggling mightily---as he did last year--did the organization not only promote him but immediately put him in the leadoff spot? So this reply just seems
counter to the framework of the discussion: 'It's just the way the Sox general philosophy is: try not to rush guys and put undone pressure on them.
They can afford to wait until prospects are absolutely ready (with some noted exceptions) because of their ability to sign marquee free agents.' If
anything, this was a 'rush' move. I think it was the right one, but I'll get to that in a minute.
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templeUsox |
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April: 71 AB's, .169/.280/.225, 8/24 BB/K
May: 32 AB's, .250/.314/.500, 3/8 BB/K I've given up on him too. But at least he's showing signs of life.
Dominican for the next month or so!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jsinger121 |
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Welcome to Soxprospects.com, Brownies28.
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Cin1010 |
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This is something I had replied in a PM to someone on May 2 when he had mentioned Place being kind of disappointing with his production in Lancaster. I have
noticed significant improvement in his patience and strike zone recognition, and if I have then I'm sure the Sox have noticed it.
"Place has actually been striking out on full counts after he fouls off a bunch to keep an at bat alive. Last night he had a 9 pitch at bat, for the last at bat of the first game of the double header, and then missed hitting it into the gap in right only because 1B was playing off, was very tall and jumped. It may not show in his stats, but his patience has really improved, now they need to work on his contact and placement."
"I do so appreciate the buddy and homer thing, it's so rare for a 5'2" woman to get treated to the whole
"sac up dude" thing, so that was a big compliment. Thanks." -this chic
"You should consider it a compliment. You've never shown any signs of incompetence ever, so I figured you were a guy."-TheGoldenGreek33
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dirtydan1977 |
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Brownies28 wrote:I don't think tdrowe was comparing Place and Hanley in the sense that Place will be as good as Hanley. I interpreted it as "Place is unlikely to be as good as Hanley, but he'll still be quite good". |
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