That is apparently the case. There was no issue with pitch counts. I believe he and Buchholz are on the five-and-out plan for the near future.
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That is apparently the case. There was no issue with pitch counts. I believe he and Buchholz are on the five-and-out plan for the near future. |
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Bowden looked pretty sharp tonight. His fastball command was much better than the last two times I've seen him, and in honor of Keith Law, he threw a lot
more change-ups than usual. Overall, his off-speed-to-fastball ratio was higher than what I've typically seen. His fastball of choice was the 2-seamer
(88-91), which he was spotting very well. He also mixed in a handful of 4-seamers (92-93) later in the outing, getting swings-and-misses and popups. He threw
about the same number of change-ups (80-85) as curve balls (75-79). He commanded both pretty well, although he bounced a couple curves in front of the plate.
Strikeouts on: CB, 75, swinging; FB (2S), 91, swinging; FB (4S, I think), swinging; CH 83 (generous check swing call, but it was a good pitch).
On Reading's first hit in the fifth, Suarez made a great diving stop deep in the hole, but had no chance to throw the runner out. The next base hit, a solid line drive down right field line, was the only real solid contact of the night. On the liner that Bowden caught in the third, Appert did a nice job squaring up a curve ball, but if it had gotten by Bowden, I think it would have been scooped up by a MI for a groundout. I was really surprised to see him pulled after five--he was at 64 pitches, with 48 strikes. Perhaps they're starting to dial back his innings, but I wouldn't be shocked if this ended up being his last AA start. Bard was pretty wild tonight. He seemed to have his command against the first two batters he faced, but then he really lost it. One thing that I found interesting was how much harder he was throwing his curve tonight. Usually I've seen it 75-77 or so with a pretty big looping action, but tonight it was 80-81 with a tighter breaking action that I liked. He was about 50-50 getting it in the zone. As was already mentioned, Jimenez made a couple nice plays in the field. A good backhand pick behind the bag in the first and a very strong throw to get the out. He has a gun. Then a nice charging play on the bunt in the 4th. However, there was also a single down the line in the sixth that I think a number of third basemen would have gotten to. To be fair, it was harder hit than the ball in the first and I'm not sure how far off the line JJ was originally positioned. Jimenez also showed good discipline in his AB in the 7th and ended up smacking a solid liner to right for a single. Mark Wagner just loves hitting at Hadlock. Six of his 7 homers have been at home and it's not like they've been cheap shots. I'd call tonight's blast a good 370 feet. It sailed over the the right corner of the Monster. He also ripped a line drive to left, but overestimated his own speed, getting thrown out at second, and hit a fly to deep center. Daeges made a nice catch in the 9th, leaping against the wall to snag a hard fly. He looked pretty awkward doing it, but he got the job done. EDIT: I almost forgot the best part of the game: the Reading players were sporting the retro Phillies powder blues! Also, I would say that while Bowden is mostly about spotting his pitches, he will challenge hitters when he is throwing the 4-seamer. It's definitely more of a strikeout pitch.
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Diaz back in the lineup.
Mark Wagner just loves hitting at Hadlock. When you have a 1000 OPS at home and a sub .500 OPS Away from home I would say he definitely loves Hadlock. |
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Lowell wins 10-7
Dening- 2/5, 2R Dent- 2/4, R, RBI, 2K Cabreja- 2/5, R, 2B, 2RBI Sumoza- 3/5, R, 2B, 5RBI Blocker- 2/5, 2B, RBI, 2K Bermudez- 1/5, R, HR(1), RBI, 2K Castillo- 3.0, 2H, ER, 5-2 K/BB, WP, 2HBP McClain- 3.0, 2H, 2ER, 4-1 K/BB, HRA Weiland- 2.0, 3H, 3-0 K/BB Tomoleoni- 1.0, 2H, 4ER, 0-3 K/BB, WP |
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Moe Jorgan wrote: Ouch. I figured he must be doing pretty poorly on the road to have a 0.240 average, because he's been smacking the ball around the park when I've seen him lately. But sub .500? Yikes. |
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Tough day in the Dominican. Down 17-0 in the 9th before being able to squeak in a few runs on a bunch of walks, a hit by pitch, and an error.
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Well at least they are "working" the counts.
Boston doesn't deserve me.
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I was one of the 5500+ at sold out Lancaster tonight. Most of them were there for the fireworks. "What is the team that's above this one?"
"How far away from the majors are these guys?" I felt like a teacher.
The game felt flat, not much energy or urgency to take advantage of the Ports. It was good to see Lars and Expo. Expo had a tough night, he was even 'holding the glove' a bit early to try to get some calls. He stopped, so I'm thinking there was some chatting we didn't see. Lars in particular seemed to look back and question some calls with the ump- not many others tried that. Place and his swing ...needs more time (or maybe less?) but he made a great running catch in center to dog down a ball. But then later made a questionable throw to third that was off target and even the pitcher backing up missed the ball. The crowd around me liked Nava after he hustled his way into a double. He should have been thrown out at 2nd but I didn't see the cut-off and if there was a bobble. Still has an open stance, and I felt like he lunged too much, particularly when he struck out on a high FB in the 7th, with Lars on 2nd and Engel on 3rd. Bummer. But he hit a deep drive in the 9th that scored Lars, and anyone with better speed might have had an inside-the-park HR, but Jon trucked into 3b. The Stockton Chris Carter is BIG. And I was impressed with Doolittle for them at 1b. He managed to trick the ump to make a questionable double play call to end the 8th. The Lancaster 3B coach followed the ump to short right field after he made the call, and tried to put distance between himself and anyone on the Jethawks. I will try to make it back on a non-fireworks night. I did take some photos tonight, and if I can post them somewhere, I'll try. |
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Nice reports again guys, thanks.
Haddock I'm now under the impression that Bowden has taken the next step which is integrating the 2 seamer and the four seamer during an outing. He seemed to step up the speed in the fourth and that's where he likely was throwing the 4 seamer. That's something he hadn't been doing in the past. A few outings like that and I'd then expect that he'll be integrating it within an inning then at will. I'm curious, the only thing that really surprises me about his numbers is the marked increase in pop ups. Last year, the greatest majority of air outs were the flyout type. This year, there have been a ton of pop ups. Even a lot of the reported flyouts. For example the flyout to left reported by amfox1, the announcer said Bell called off Ziggy to make the catch. Is it the change and 2 seamer generating those ? The 12-6 curve would seem to generate grounders. Unfortunately, when there's contact, the announcers usually fail to identify the pitch, too much info for a casual listener. |
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I'm pretty sure (and I don't have the numbers in front of me) that Bowden was at the top or near the top of the organization last year in terms of
pop-ups. It was something I remember noticing for the first time last year.
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I didn't identify every pitch, but got most of them. I counted 6 pitches at 92-93 that I believe were 4-seamers, most of them in the 5th inning. He also
threw a bunch of fastballs 88-91 in the 5th, so I think he was mixing them up that inning.
Here's a breakdown of each plate appearance and the pitch he threw to end it (all Ks were swinging): 1st L4, ??, soft liner K, CV 5-3, CV, medium grounder 2nd 4-3, CH, medium grounder F8, 2S, high fly to average CF depth F9, 2S, high fly to deep RF 3rd L1, CV, medium liner F8, 4S, pop to shallow CF (I think 4S, but could've been 2S--92 mph) K, 2S 4th 5-3, ??, bunt grounder 6-3, ??, medium grounder F7, 2S, pop to shallow CF (LF Bell ran a LONG way for this one, calling off both Hall and Suarez) 5th K, 4S K, CH 1B6, CV, medium grounder deep in the hole 1B9, ??, high, average velocity liner down the RF line F4, 4S, pop just on the RF grass |
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ancientsoxfogey wrote: This post is right there with people who mention the name "Maddux" every time a guy gets results in the minors without popping the gun.
"Since I stole that base I have not gone one day -- not one -- without someone coming and saying 'thank you.' You may never experience that, and I have it for life." -Dave Roberts
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No it isn't. The phrase "to cite an extreme example" is a deliberate attempt to distinguish Bowden from the A1 case, Alvarez, not to equate them.
The basic premise, that toolsy pitchers and pitchers with less natural stuff may have different places that cause them problems is really not all that new, and
has been agreed with by others here. I don't expect Bowden to stop dead in AAA, as Abe did, and nothing about the post suggests it. But I do think Bowden
may take some time to adjust, and I am not anticipating him in Boston until a Sept. '09 callup at the earliest, probably more likely 2010.
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Thanks for that Haddock.
Cool, then he's where I was hoping he'd be by seasons end.
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Drive lose 4-3Anyone know why Lin had to leave the game in the top of the 8th?
"The way I see it, the Red Sox are the lesser of two evils. Red Sox fans are like ants. Yankee fans are like termites. One takes over your house, the
other will destroy your house if you aren't careful." - Gamingboy (posted at BTF)
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ancientsoxfogey wrote: Yeah, you did write that, but then you very clearly made a direct comparison between the two. You did not say, "he's not like Alvarez
because..." That would be "distinguishing" the two. Instead you said, "to cite an extreme example" thereby making the comparison.
Anyways, I realize you don't think Bowden is Alvarez and I agree that like all pitchers he will struggle when he moves to stiffer competition, partly
because he does not have overwhelming stuff.
"Since I stole that base I have not gone one day -- not one -- without someone coming and saying 'thank you.' You may never experience that, and I have it for life." -Dave Roberts
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AMarshal2 wrote: My thought is that it depends on how you define "struggle". In spite of handedness, the best comp we have is Lester in that, he's also a
command and control pitcher and had a great age 21 season at Portland. Lester didn't "struggle" when he went to Pawtucket. If there was any
performance decline at all, it was in the control aspect (BB/9) (I know you know that). That's all along been the only dent in Lester's armor. On the
other hand, Bowden has all along, had better control and, I see no reason to believe that it will decline. As far as command goes, 2007 BA Prospect Handbook
says "he has the best command in the system". A 4.23 K/BB puts an exclamation point on that statement (It's in the outrageous category since he
made the mechanics adjustment at the end of April).
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