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norbit14 |
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People there has been a Timlin citing, once again there has been a Timlin citing.
Boston doesn't deserve me.
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Was it Pedro in the famous 2-0 Trot HR win over Clemens? Lester out to try to finish it off. "Innings limit???? I don't know nuthin' about no
innings limit!" Are the Sox simply going to say the heck with it and let him blow through any limits and see how far he can go?? At the rate he's
going, he will far, far surpass any previous year's workload. And let's face it, at this point they REALLY need him. He might have been the one to stop
the lefty TB lineup in its tracks.
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ArodSucksAtLife |
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Jon "I own these bitches" Lester with the first shutout at Yankee Stadium since '04.
I'd love to lick the tears off of Joba's face... I'm sure they taste like sweet golden
candy...-CheapSeats61
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norbit14 |
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ancientsoxfogey wrote: Lester threw only 105 pitches so if the pitch count is down he has no innings limit. Its the pitch count not the innings.
Boston doesn't deserve me.
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ArodSucksAtLife |
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"Was it Pedro in the famous 2-0 Trot HR win over Clemens?"
Thought it was Pedro over Vazquez. Edit: and a Manny HR.
I'd love to lick the tears off of Joba's face... I'm sure they taste like sweet golden
candy...-CheapSeats61
Last Edited By: ArodSucksAtLife 07/03/08 10:08 PM.
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ancientsoxfogey |
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I was really talking about for the year. He's never gone much beyond 150 before, and he's approaching 120 now. He isn't that consistently efficient
with his pitches that he can claim that a 50+ inning increase "really isn't that much". And anyway, if the Sox make the playoffs he could easily
be headed for 220+ innings.
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southernredsoxality |
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I think this was Lester's first game ever at Yawkee Stadium.
"Being Scandinavian myself, I can tell you that Lars is the name of the mythological Norse God of Batting." Drew (Pacific Prospect Report) |
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Norm in Oregon |
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Jon Lester has turned to gold. He's the stopper right now. For statheads, he's got more VORP than anyone else on the Sox' staff. Great performance,
just what the team needed.
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Archie Graham |
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Yankee clubhouse has been closed since the end of tonight's game. Girardi is likely tearing into them.
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norbit14 |
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I hope he gets into A-Mad's face.
Boston doesn't deserve me.
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left coast bosox fan |
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Veteran Member
Posts: 2039 07/03/08 10:34 PM Veteran Member |
Just a quote to nibble on...
"He [Varitek] said that Jon Lester had the highest ceiling of anyone on the staff. He said that [Lester] is at about 60 percent of where he is going to be next year and he said that he's going to be the best left-hander in the American league. He didn't make it a maybe or an if, it was his belief." ... Peter Gammons 6/16/2008 |
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norbit14 |
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Suzyn Waldman just cancelled her post-game. She said reporter aren't allowed in the clubhouse; they're having some kind of closed-door meeting from which she heard yelling.From a Yankees site.
Boston doesn't deserve me.
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TNS |
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norbit14 wrote: (I'm partial to "The Material Girls".) |
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ancientsoxfogey |
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With the game tonight and the quotes afterward, I think that it is becoming abundantly clear that the cuffs are being taken completely off this guy. There is
no innings limit, or pitches limit, or anything else. They are going to ride this horse unless or until he shows them he is out of gas or has to be shut down
for some reason. Maybe he'll hit a wall at the end of August -- and maybe he won't. How Lester holds out to be one of the very intriguing stories as
this season winds down.
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left coast bosox fan |
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Posts: 2039 07/03/08 11:03 PM Veteran Member |
I think sometimes after the All Star break, Jon will break a fingernail and need a 2 week DL, then a few low innings rehabs. Crystal ball...
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AMarshal2 |
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I agree the gloves are off but I disagree with the rest of your post. The Red Sox are far too cautious to run him into the ground by August. I bet he gets a
stint on the DL, a couple skipped starts, or something else to reduce his work load during the second half. I'm sure plenty of it depends on where they
stand in the race but with the depth they have on the staff I'd bet they make a point of resting everybody they can.
"Since I stole that base I have not gone one day -- not one -- without someone coming and saying 'thank you.' You may never experience that, and I have it for life." -Dave Roberts
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Haddock Field |
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ancientsoxfogey wrote: As we saw with Buchholz last year, the Sox don't use a hard innings cap with these guys; they also rely on shoulder strength tests. So as long as
Lester's arm stays strong, sure, he could conceivably throw 200 innings. That said, like LCBF and AM, I expect Lester to take a breather with a DL trip in
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Norm in Oregon |
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I'd lean towards Lester getting a rest. They seem to be doing it for all their guys and there's no reason he'd be any different. Remember they have
seven starters. Buchholz is laying in the weeds after his stint in AAA. It's the team's biggest strength this year. I think they'll use it to get
him some rest before the push.
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Well, Haddock, the Buchholz situation really didn't prove anything last year because he was shut down before he reached what seemed to be a commonly
understood limit of 160-165 innings. And by "commonly understood" I mean the club had made some comments and was seemingly operating under that plan,
not just that people around here were assuming it. What would really prove the point is if Lester continues to pass his arm strength tests and they DON'T
shut him down. Norm's point is well taken. There ARE options out there to give Lester a break -- or at least, there are if/when Colon returns. Right now
the thinking is that the Masterson phenomenon may have run its course a little bit and he needs more work on pitches to get lefties out, so that Buchholz
replaces Justin in the rotation. One convenient way to give Lester a mini-break is to run the rotation through the 13th, which would give Lester only one more
start, on the 8th. Then after the AS break, push him back to the back of the rotation next time through, which would push him to the 22nd, giving him 2 weeks
between starts.
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FenwayTheHardWay |
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ancientsoxfogey wrote:
So where exactly is your proof of these "commonly accepted" innings limits governing the Sox' decisions?
"And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh... this could be a lot more, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be
just such a simple... uh, you know?"
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