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06/12/08 9:52 PM

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The Bard:

2 IP | 0 R | 0 H | 0 BB | 2 K | 3/1 GB/FB

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06/12/08 9:55 PM

Expo really should be in the top 20.

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06/12/08 9:56 PM

Nice to see Bard get back on track.

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Chris Jones splits

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06/12/08 10:00 PM

Home Games	0	3	10.27	6	starts				23.2	48	28	27	3	5	24	0.59	.407
Away Games	4	1	2.23	7	starts				40.1	27	10	10	3	4	43	1.21	.189

Chris Jones having just a little trouble in Lancaster. On the road he's been All-Star material.

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06/12/08 10:16 PM

Hahaha, I guess that's why they call it "splits." That's absolutely ridiculous; I know that CCS is a shithole bandbox, but still, the Cal League as a whole is pretty unforgiving to pitchers. That's just a wicked disparity.

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06/12/08 10:16 PM

Hahaha, I guess that's why they call it "splits." That's absolutely ridiculous; I know that CCS is a shithole bandbox, but still, the Cal League as a whole is pretty unforgiving to pitchers. That's just a wicked disparity.

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06/12/08 10:58 PM

Drive win 4-1

CF Lin 1/4 sb
C Expo 2/4 2hr 3rbi 3r
3B Arambarris 1/3 r sb

SP Alvarez 5ip 2h 6k
RP Carcia 2ip h r er 2bb 2k
RP Fernandes 2ip 3h bb 4k wp

Drive pitchers 12k 14gb 1fb

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06/12/08 11:01 PM

Jethawks win 8-4

CF Place 2/5 hr 4rbi r k
RF Reddick 1/5 hr rbi r 4k
C Blackmon 2/4 r bb

SP Jones 7ip 4h r er bb 5k
RP Cox 2ip 5h 3r 3er

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06/12/08 11:04 PM

Seadogs lose 5-0

LF Corsaletti 1/3 bb
CF Bell 2/4 2k e
DH Pinckney 2/4

SP KJax 5ip 4h 2r 2er 2bb 3k
RP Rhoades 1ip 4h 3r 2er hra
RP Bard 2ip 0h 2k

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06/12/08 11:57 PM

Charlie zink has had an incredible first half this season...could be starting for several major league teams

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06/12/08 11:59 PM

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You can say a lot about the park effects of Lancaster, but it's neither a shit hole nor a band box, and saying so is just ignorant.

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someone explain this to me, how can Switzer give up only 2 hits, no walks, no runs allowed earned or unearned, and strikes out 4 in 2.1 innings and gets credited with a BLOWN save.

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06/13/08 12:08 AM

PasadenaSox wrote:
You can say a lot about the park effects of Lancaster, but it's neither a shit hole nor a band box, and saying so is just ignorant.

My apologies, Pasadena. I honestly did not mean what I said and my wording was poor at best. Sometimes my brashness and insensitive language gets the best of me.

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I'm guessing he allowed an inherited runner to score which tied the game.

If that's the case, it's just another example of what I feel is the worst scoring in all of baseball. Think back to Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS. Mo Rivera comes into the game with his team up by a run, and inherits two runners (both of whom Tom Gordon was responsible for) on 2nd and 3rd base with no outs. He then proceeds to give up a sac fly but is able to get out of the inning without further damage. And yet gets credited with the blown save. How in the hell does it make any sense for a guy to receive the blown save when he wasn't responsible for the runners on base who scored the game-tying run(s)?!

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06/13/08 12:38 AM

WillyCoPapi3 wrote:
I'm guessing he allowed an inherited runner to score which tied the game.

If that's the case, it's just another example of what I feel is the worst scoring in all of baseball. Think back to Game 5 of the 2004 ALCS. Mo Rivera comes into the game with his team up by a run, and inherits two runners (both of whom Tom Gordon was responsible for) on 2nd and 3rd base with no outs. He then proceeds to give up a sac fly but is able to get out of the inning without further damage. And yet gets credited with the blown save. How in the hell does it make any sense for a guy to receive the blown save when he wasn't responsible for the runners on base who scored the game-tying run(s)?!

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The best part is that Gordon got credited with a hold, to boot.

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Dreadsox2 wrote:

Home Games 0 3 10.27 6 starts 23.2 48 28 27 3 5 24 0.59 .407

Away Games 4 1 2.23 7 starts 40.1 27 10 10 3 4 43 1.21 .189

Chris Jones having just a little trouble in Lancaster. On the road he's been All-Star material.

Jones also had several of those away starts at some of the best pitchers parks in the minors, not just the CalL but the minors.(San Jose, Inland Empire, and Modesto) His away starts at the more neutral away parks average about 4.50. He has the highest home era of any current starter.

I have nothing personal against Chris Jones, but if there is a split that large then there is something that is being hidden by the pitchers parks, or he is changing the way he pitches based on the fact that he is pitching in Lancaster, in either case he needs to work on that. He needs to be much more consistant. There is absolutely no reason there should be this kind of gap. Either there is something that needs to be worked on with either his mechanics, control or whatever, or he needs to get his mental side focused so that Lancaster doesn't effect him. I have said it a hundred times if you can't handle the pressure of the thought of pitching in Lancaster, there is no way you will make it with the pressure in the majors. You never know, maybe when he is at home the pitching coach is working with him on stuff that is easier to hide when you pitch in the no fly zone that is San Jose... (well not today I guess).

A split within 1-2 means that you have your stuff working well. Right now Maxwell and Mills are the only ones who are pitching without letting outside influences effect them. Now Adam just needs to perfect his pitches. Blake needs to be in Portland!

fcastig0220 wrote:
Hahaha, I guess that's why they call it "splits." That's absolutely ridiculous; I know that CCS is a shithole bandbox, but still, the Cal League as a whole is pretty unforgiving to pitchers. That's just a wicked disparity.

PasadenaSox wrote:

You can say a lot about the park effects of Lancaster, but it's neither a shit hole nor a band box, and saying so is just ignorant.

fcastig0220 wrote:

My apologies, Pasadena. I honestly did not mean what I said and my wording was poor at best. Sometimes my brashness and insensitive language gets the best of me.

Thanks Pasadena for that.....

fcastig0220- Don't worry about it too much, you aren't the first and you won't be the last to make similar statements. (And I'm the one who can truely say that, because I'm the lone Lancaster person on this board.) If you go back to the old gameday threads from the beginning of 07 you will find me arguing with half the posters, including most of the Mods, on this same subject.

Actually I think everyone is pretty lucky today because I don't feel like getting pissed off. The Hawks are in first in the South, I'm leaving in the morning to go to Visalia for the weekend series, and I think I must have taken some drugs or something, because the first thing I did when I saw the "shithole band box" comment was laugh and think it reminded me of klos.

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fcastig0220 wrote:
Expo really should be in the top 20.

In spite of Tim Federowicz statement that we have weak catching (a strange way to endear yourself to new future teammates), Expo presents an interesting problem. He's only 21, considered to be an excellent defensive catcher and he's hitting well. For now Greenville gives him what he needs, playing time, after a year's suspension. Where does he go from here? He's obviously outgrowing Greenville fast and Lancaster has Still who's defense has been reported as improved and Wagner's at Portland who's bat has been consistent recently.

And yes, I think he should be top 20. How many defensive catchers are there that are hitting ?

Edit: Haha, we need to figure out a way to make out top 20 be about 30 players. I seriously doubt if there's another system in baseball with 20 better prospects than Expo.

Last Edited By: left coast bosox fan 06/13/08 6:02 AM. Edited 2 times.

Steve of Charlotte

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06/13/08 8:16 AM

I totally agree about Esposito! Everytime I see him, I am more impressed. I was shocked one night when he hit one a mile to right center out, and then the next time I saw him he pulled one that is still going. A little thing, but Wednesday night at Hickory he wasn't in the line-up...but he was in the game. Seems to get along with everyone, and was next to the manager all night watching the game. He has a powerful, major league body, speaks fluent Spanish and English, has a great arm, and has MLB power. Whats not to like! I'm starting to believe our catching is better than most systems.

Dusty Brown is going to play in the majors. Mark Wagner may be a solid regular himself, and then we have Espo!

Now if we would just get a third baseman I can get excited about (Middlebrooks?)!!

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Steve of Charlotte wrote:
I totally agree about Esposito! Everytime I see him, I am more impressed. I was shocked one night when he hit one a mile to right center out, and then the next time I saw him he pulled one that is still going. A little thing, but Wednesday night at Hickory he wasn't in the line-up...but he was in the game. Seems to get along with everyone, and was next to the manager all night watching the game. He has a powerful, major league body, speaks fluent Spanish and English, has a great arm, and has MLB power. Whats not to like! I'm starting to believe our catching is better than most systems.

Dusty Brown is going to play in the majors. Mark Wagner may be a solid regular himself, and then we have Espo!

Now if we would just get a third baseman I can get excited about (Middlebrooks?)!!

Do we have any insight on how Expo's defense has been in terms of handling the staff and blocking balls behind the plate?

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Expo has the highest ceiling of the catchers in the system right now - (you could argue Still if you consider him a catcher).

Meanwhile, Jose Alvarez says I don't want to go to Lowell. I really hope he develops more consistenvy over the 2nd half of the season - in Greenville. It's nice to see to see him show these flashes - and I guess inconsistency is the hallmark of young inexperienced pitchers. What do you guys think his ML potential is??

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