templeUsox wrote:
I wish the annual Rob English pick was Xavier Avery.
Oh that's right, we only draft white players who are raw, not black ones.
Can of worms, re-opened.
Ah yes, the annual Temple rant. As predictable and unwelcome as cicadas.
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Ephus |
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templeUsox wrote: Ah yes, the annual Temple rant. As predictable and unwelcome as cicadas.
"Things happen in Boston." -Joe Morgan
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templeUsox wrote: Sincerely,
Ryan Dent, Jarren Matthews, Rafael Cabreja, and Mike Jones Give it up, temple. You're barking at the Yawkey administration, and they left town a few years ago.
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Jay Austin > Xavier Avery
JOSH PHEGLEY IN 09
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Cabreja is not black, he's Dominican. And Jarren Mathews didn't sign. The annual Temple rante isn't all that offbase. But I digress...
I too really like Bittle, and I think he would be a great pick at 85. I think the problem with following the draft is that there are so many players to fall in love with. The sad fact is that the Sox probably won't draft all three of my current binkies-Havens, Marquis, and Westmoreland-though they have been rumored to be interested in all of them. That is probably going to make he cry.
"I want the Yankees to limp out of New York like they just did a guest spot on Oz" - Chach
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MLB is comprised of 8% black americans. By my very quick count from the Roster Page - the Red Sox currently have 3-4% black americans in the minors (excluding
the DSL). That is a considerable difference. Though I don't believe there is any overt racism, I think reviewing the scouting in inner cities is worth
looking into.
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MLB is comprised of 8% black americans. By my very quick count from the Roster Page - the Red Sox currently have 3-4% black americans in the minors (excluding the DSL). That is a considerable difference. Though I don't believe there is any overt racism, I think reviewing the scouting in inner cities is worth looking into.Somebody tell chavopepe2 that Al Sharpton has hacked into his yuku account... You know how Milwaukee has so many black players on their team? Their management must hate white people. It's the only logical answer, I mean why else would they not have the exact same percentage of black americans as the league average??
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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Beat -
Trust me...I know how stats work....I know how statistical anomolies work. It would be very easy to run a simple regression and determine if there is some correlation between sox minor leaguers (vs. Non) and being black (vs. All other ethnicities.) My speculation, without doing all the leg work and from my somewhat limited experience with analyzing data, is that the lack of blacks in the Sox system is not a result of random error. I certainly could be wrong. Do I think it is "racism"? No, so Al Sharpton didn't "hack into my account". My guess is it has more to do with the Red Sox scouting and drafting philosophy. For instance, If a team drafts mostly college players then statistically they are likely to have a lower % of blacks because there is a negative correlation between attending college and being black. (this is not racism, it is an unfortunate fact). |
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Dear 2008 Draft Thread:
Please go back to not sucking. Hugs & Kisses, Hairps |
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Hairps wrote: Agreed.
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Ephus |
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GreatByOhEight wrote: Well, that's debatable.
"Things happen in Boston." -Joe Morgan
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If the Sox FO wasn't racist, they would have drafted Chad Jones last year. Clearly.
I'm hearing
Hudson wants to become a hitter - his exact quote:
"Baby-Hühner graben die lange
Kugel"
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chav, I'm not quite sure I see what you're driving at. In your most recent post you stated that you were not calling the Sox "racist," just
that they valued college players more than HS players, drafted more college players, and as a result ended up with more whites and fewer blacks. But yet just
before you said:
I think reviewing the scouting in inner cities is worth looking into.To me that implies that you believe they are not giving the inner cities enough of a look, or to restate in possibly incorrect terms, blacks are not getting their fair shake with the Sox because the Sox are not valuing them as highly as they should. I don't know, it just seemed like your first post screamed that the Sox need to "review" scouting the inner cities, but you then sort of abandoned ship on that idea and said that it doesn't really matter. Which begs the question as to why you said they should "review" their scouting of inner cities in the first place.
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Well, maybe they think scouting Asia is more effective. Build a pipeline in Asia where there is an open market on amateur talent or build a pipeline in the
inner cities where you can only acquire amateur talent through the draft?
Postponed: Wind
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I think it's time to bring up the old thread. Fact is that this is really worthy of discussion. I think there are a ton of members who have a lot to say
about the discussion of African Americans (NOT DOMINICANS, EVEN THOUGH THEY LOOK BLACK TO US RACIST WHITEYS) in baseball. BTW, Beat, we're talking about
baseball as a whole, so quoting the of black players in the majors is not the point.
BTW, brox is only pissed because he doesn't get to chew on any Cajun man-meat. Oh yeah, I went there. EDIT: Why is everyone hating on cicadas?! Comeon guys, cicadas are cool!
"I want the Yankees to limp out of New York like they just did a guest spot on Oz" - Chach
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"He lacks control, not to mention command"
I'm sorry but I still don't understand the difference. Control = ability to get the pitch to where he wants it, command = ???? "BTW, Beat, we're talking about baseball as a whole, so quoting the of black players in the majors is not the point." Huh? It was someone else who brought up the 8% and 4% numbers, and I believe the discussion was about the Red Sox and black players, not major league baseball as a whole and black players.
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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Control is ability to avoid walks, command is ability to locate pitch exactly where you want it. (my understanding at least)
It's about what you want. If I come to you and tell you I want to take you to my house and cook you a steak, then you'll know.
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Thanks, that makes some sense though they still sound like pretty much the same thing, to me at least. My other thought was that command meant the ability to
repeatedly throw the pitch with control and movement, but I'm guessing that's way off. A google search gave me NOTHING.
"What Mo's Knows, Mo's Goes!"
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Beat UM and UF wrote: First off, I apologize for stating that you had noted the %s. What I was getting at is that we are talking about baseball as a whole, which includes the
minors as well as college. Oh, and your point about the Brewers sucks. They have three (Fielder, Weeks, and Hall) African Americans on their 25 -man roster,
which is a whopping 12%. Yeah, they must hate white people.
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I like to read this thread to learn from those who know more than me about the upcoming draft.
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Beat UM and UF wrote: I'm sorry to keep this going, but I hate being misquoted. My point was simply that the difference between the number of blacks in the Sox minor league
system is likely to not be chance error. Again, we could do a social survey and determine this for sure, but I think by looking at the numbers at a glance
that this is the case. I AM NOT SAYING THE RED SOX HAVE EVEN ONE DROP OF RACISM IN THEIR SYSTEM. My point is that some of their drafting strategies and
philosophies as well as where they focus their scouting COULD POTENTIAL result in this statistical anomoly. Again, I have no idea for sure what is causing it.
I did not say that they had to increase scouting in inner cities. I said perhaps they should review it, because a lack of inner city scouting is one thing
that could result in this outcome. It very well could be that their inner city scouting is great and has nothing to do with this.
chav, I'm not quite sure I see what you're driving at. In your most recent post you stated that you were not calling the Sox "racist," just that they valued college players more than HS players, drafted more college players, and as a result ended up with more whites and fewer blacksI did not say that. I said: "For instance, If a team drafts mostly college players then statistically they are likely to have a lower % of blacks." This was simply a point to show that larger organizational philosophies could lead to a discrepency in the number of blacks in the organization. I have no idea what is causing this for the Red Sox. I am simply stating that it is not a statistical anomoly and perhaps could be looked at to see if our scouting is sufficiently covering certain areas or if it is in fact just a tendency to draft college players. EDIT: I also want to emphasize that this is an issue that has very little to do with race. I would expect that if any group, whether it be Dominicans, Floridians, blacks, High Schoolers or some other group, were statistically under represented in the system, and it was not a result of an organization philosophy (drafting college players) then there would be a review to see why this is and whether improvements could be made.
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