I wish Murph had been given a shot in right instead signing Drew.
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David Murphy?
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 Spaceman1968 |
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Posts: 278 07/25/07 8:55 PM Veteran Member |
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 AMarshal2 |
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Posts: 7764 07/25/07 9:02 PM Moderator |
Then you're either a blatant Drew hater or a blatant Murphy homer. I can understand not liking Drew's contract but Murphy couldn't play as well as Drew is right now, and this is the worst season of Drew's career.
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Spaceman1968 |
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Posts: 278 07/25/07 9:48 PM Veteran Member |
How will know if you never give the guy a chance. Murphy is a decent fielder and he could not do any worse at bat the Drew.
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WillyCoPapi3 |
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Posts: 3071 07/25/07 9:51 PM Veteran Member |
"How will know if you never give the guy a chance."
He's been less than impressive at AAA with the bat, and I don't expect a guy with somewhat limited tools to suddenly emerge as a very good everyday play when he faces big league pitching. "Murphy is a decent fielder and he could not do any worse at bat the Drew." That statement is BS. |
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AMarshal2 |
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Posts: 7764 07/25/07 9:53 PM Moderator |
I like David Murphy. He's always seemed like a really nice guy in any of the interviews I've seen or read. So, I don't want to insult him but he's not anywhere near the player JD Drew is. He's got like a .760 OPS to Drew's .740 or something like that. There's almost no chance he could equal Drew with the bat. Somebody posted his MLE recently and it wasn't pretty at all. Anyways, you said you would have rather seen him starting the year in right than Drew. Well, that's nothing but revisionist history since Drew has a career .900 OPS and I don't think Murphy has ever done anything to suggest he could post an .800 OPS in the majors.
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ancientsoxfogey |
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Posts: 3104 07/26/07 8:03 AM Veteran Member |
Let's remember that when people say Murphy couldn't do any worse than Drew, they mean any worse than Drew is doing NOW, not any worse than the career average Drew. The statement is still likely not true, but it's a lot closer to being true.
That being said, there is no way that the Sox abandon their investment at this point in the season, with the Yankees starting to appear on the radar screen. This is the time that a team will rally around its veterans, like it or not. Like Drew. Like Mike Lowell and young vet Kevin Youkilis -- sorry for those of you pondering Texiera in the trade thread. Like Lugo. Like Curt, as much as many here are impressed by Lester and Gabbard. One of them, probably Lester, will not be in Boston too much longer. Like Varitek -- I hope everyone is looking forward to seeing him worn to a frazzle, because he will be. And as a result, I will make a prediction: this season will be the last we will see of the best of Jason Varitek. Next year his performance will deteriorate markedly and will never return to what he has been for most of the last decade. And catching will begin to be an Achilles heel for the Sox, unless they go outside the organization to get a new first-string catcher, quite possibly raiding the farm in a major way to do it. |
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Spaceman1968 |
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Posts: 278 07/26/07 8:05 AM Veteran Member |
WilyCo "bs" I think may might be taking this a little too seriously. The point was that the Red Sox could have spent their money more wisely. Instead of investing lots of money on an injured prone player like Drew, they could invested in other places and give Murphy or someone else a chance. Hanley Ramirez hit .271 in Portland and then he won the Rookie of the year next year. Look what happen to Cla Meredith. I suppose you would be that is "bs" if he was still here and someone suggested giving him the set up role.
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WillyCoPapi3 |
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Posts: 3071 07/26/07 1:21 PM Veteran Member |
"The point was that the Red Sox could have spent their money more wisely."
I agree completely. "Hanley Ramirez hit .271 in Portland and then he won the Rookie of the year next year." Hanley Ramirez is also an inredibly physically gifted athlete that had a tremendou amount of upside. A lot of people felt that Hanley seemed a bit bored while in AA, and almost seemed like "a man amongst boys." FWIW, I like David Murphy a lot, and think he's going to have a nice, successful MLB career as a 4th OFer (and maybe even earn a starting job at some point). I just dont think he's the type of guy capable of starting for an organization like Boston. |
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Zennla |
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Posts: 219 07/26/07 2:12 PM Veteran Member |
I would agree with WCP about Murphy's potential, and ask Spaceman to think about what would happen if the big club filled the entire roster the way you suggested.
They've got to balance the young 'uns with established high-level players. Part of that is proper evaluation of those established players, which seems to be a problem right now. But the methodology is sound. "Pedroia thinks he's yet to see a pitcher that he thinks is any good," Murphy said. "That's his secret. He's 5-foot-6, balding, can't run, can't throw, he's weak, and it's true. But he believes that he's as strong and as big and as fast as anybody."
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202 Jordan |
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Posts: 34 07/27/07 10:52 AM |
When I see Murphy play (which I do alot) I see a player right now who is the equivalent of Andre Either or Jason Michaels right now with a max ceiling of Aaron Rowand/ Ellis Burks. But being Rowand looks like a stretch. He's a very nice chip to use right now.
So is Moss. Moss reminds alot of Todd Benzinger. Their "prospect" level for both right now is as high as it will ever be. Neither has had their strike zone flaws exposed much (Moss, not at all) at the ML level. I think either could play in Boston. The notion you have to have nerves of steel to play there is a little overhyped. You need to be able ignore the hoopla (or have fun with it) and be able to accept giving up anonimity. I think to an extent, they both already understand it. |
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JimRiceRocks |
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Posts: 568 07/27/07 11:14 AM Veteran Member |
I don't think the comments about Murphy not being able to start (esp.) or even by the 4th OF'er the Sox would be looking for has anything to do with the mental aspect of the game. The commenters, I think, are simply saying Murph is a nice player, 4th OF'er in KC, Pitt, LAD, etc - maybe with a chance to start someday in one these cities - just not in Boston. We've come to expect money to be spent and bigger talents or rookies with higher ceilings to be holding down the fort on the Boston OF.
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j44thor |
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Posts: 625 07/27/07 11:30 AM Veteran Member |
Quote: Umm... Do you realize that by the time Burks was as old as Murphy is now he had played in over 500 MLB games and posted an OPS of over 820??? Something Murphy has never done in the minors? Never mind the 20+ SB speed Burks had until Greenwell collided with him. Murphy has about a .5% chance of being as good as Burks for his career. They really shouldn't be in the same discussion. Perhaps Murphy could equal Burks worst season but that is about it. Actually Either has put up much better stats as well. I would say that Murphy's highest possible upside would be Trot Nixon. More likely he ends up between AAAA and poor mans Trot Nixon. |
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202 Jordan |
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Posts: 34 07/30/07 8:21 AM |
BY the time they are at that level, most of it is mental. The more limited "tools" only playes have been panned out for the most part in AA.
Whether Murphy is a purely AAA, a quad A guy or an everyday major leaguer will be in him now. I agree Burks as a ceiling is a stretch for him but try to find a handful of scouts who saw Magglio Ordonez being an all-star, or even an everyday starter (until he one a AAA batting title) He was labeled a 4th outfielder. He couldn't break into a "star outfield". |
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I keep expecting Murphy to come back down to earth, but he's playing good defense in RF for Texas and his career MLB line is now .299/.349/.502 in 311 ABs.
I never thought he'd hit higher than a 750 OPS in the majors, but right now he's looking like a decent (and cheap) starting OF. It will be
interesting to see if he can hold up for an entire season. I'm still pessimistic, but happy for David nonetheless.
I loved the Gagne trade at the time, but it's looking worse every day. Gabbard keeps defying the odds, as does Murphy. Beltre still has the highest ceiling and the potential to really make us hate Eric Gagne even more than we already do. |
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Posts: 713 05/23/08 12:50 AM Veteran Member |
Trask77 wrote: My feeling is that any transaction made during a World Championship year is a good one. It's hard not to agree with the basis of your sentiment--Gagne did his best to single-handedly punt the postseason for the Sox--but every move, every personality, got them to where they ended up at the end of the season. I wouldn't wish away any move that last year, no matter what it means for years to come. |
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Posts: 732 05/23/08 1:14 AM |
keep in mind neither of those guys would be getting playing time in Boston. Murphy would be behind Moss, and Moss cant get playing time. Last year we had 3 AAA
outfielders that could have been in the majors, and he was probably the worst of the three, so there wasn't much else we could have done with him.
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Posts: 879 05/23/08 8:44 AM Veteran Member |
bjb406 wrote: I'm not sure if I agree with that or not, but it's actually a darn good question. Which of the two would be getting the extra-outfielder opportunities if Murphy was still in the organization? My inclination would be to say Murphy, but that's an opinion offered with limited conviction. |
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Posts: 291 05/23/08 8:52 AM Veteran Member |
As long as we're being hypothetical, if we never traded Murphy, we would have never signed JVE and he'd be Texas' RF putting up better numbers than
Murphy and we'd be kicking ourselves for not trading Murphy so that we could sign JVE.
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Arquimedez Bozo |
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Posts: 5105 05/23/08 12:55 PM Moderator |
I think Murphy would be on the depth chart ahead of Moss, as he profiles as a slighty better defensive outfielder at the very least, if not a decent amount
better. However, having both Crisp and Ellsbury around makes his ability to play CF irrelevant if both of those two are healthy, so maybe it would be Moss.
The good thing about that trade is that it wound up being in both Gabbard and Murphy's best interests to get out of this organization. Gabbard would also be buried on the depth chart, although there's a distinct possibility that the Red Sox would not nave signed Colon were he still around. In terms of the future, however, he'd already be behind Beckett, Matsuzaka, Lester, and Buchholz, and possibly could be knocked out of the future rotation by Masterson and Bowden anyway.
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Posts: 38 05/23/08 1:32 PM |
I've been asking myself what Murphy and Gabbard's trade value is today versus mid-season last year (it's much higher, IMO). But the Sox would
never have realized this increase in trade value for either of these guys since they would still be stuck in the minors and certainly wouldn't be starting
for Boston in the majors this year (as everyone's been pointing out).
Back to David Murphy -- does anyone believe he can keep hitting like this? I already voted no above based on his minor league track record and his age (seemingly too old to suddenly improve this much). |
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